The “real” astrology chart for the USA

Sibly astrology chartI’ve been spending a lot of time this week researching the various charts for the USA which is one reason for my lack of posting.  I have used the Sibley chart with great results, but every time I post an article on the US chart I receive quite a few emails arguing with my choice of chart.

There are three major charts used by astrologers and many more minor charts.  One is the Sibley chart which uses the date of July 4 1776 (signing of the Declaration of Independence) and a time of 5:10 pm, with Sagittarius rising.  There are also Gemini rising charts and a few adherents to a Scorpio ascendant that some say is based on the fact that the clocktower on the back of a $100 bill was set to 2:22 pm.  But if you look carefully at the image you’ll see that it could also be read as 4:10 pm and in fact Wikipedia says that the Department of Bureau and Engraving says that the time is 4:10 pm (although I could find no corroborating evidence for this).

Still, the relevance of the time on the clock tower is difficult to gauge in terms of establishing a proper horoscope for the United States.  Benton Bobrick’s masterwork The Fated Sky includes a scholarly discussion of the time when the signing of the Declaration of Independence was completed:

According to the Philadelphia Historical Society, ‘the Declaration was graced with its first signature (Hancock’s) at approximately five o’clock in the afternoon after which the members all went off to dine.’

This biography of John Hancock corroborates this (see page 13), using an approximation of “late in the afternoon” as the time when the Declaration was approved and Hancock affixed his signature.

Astrologers argue about many things: which system of dividing the house cusps, whether to use the tropical or sidereal zodiac, so it’s not surprising that such an important piece of information as the chart for the United States is also subject to argument.

Tomorrow I will write about the decline of the American empire as evidenced by the Sibley chart, so this is an introduction to the inevitable discussion about which is the accurate discussion that is sure to follow.



By | 2018-07-15T09:49:07+00:00 July 29th, 2011|Politics|2 Comments


  1. Jude Cowell August 1, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Lynn, I’m glad to find your article, it’s fantastic!

    Thing about July 4, 1776 as the founding of America, there’s even another possibility which I recently discovered (though I also tend to use the Sibly chart most often) and that’s the image I found online of Thomas Jefferson’s newspaper obituary which included a letter from someone at Charlottesville (perhaps a lawyer) saying that Jefferson transpired at 12:50 pm o’clock and remarking upon the synchronicity (though not using that word, of course) of his passing during the same hour that the D of I was “promulgated” to the people.

    It’s almost as if Franklin the astrologer/Mason (as were others of them) didn’t want posterity–the public, at least–to know for certain which horoscope to use! You know some of them had to be keeping up w the planets’ positions for deciding on an electional chart. Some say events were delayed until the Moon left Cap (a Full Moon) and was into AQ.

    So as far as timing a US natal chart, my guess is that some one or group has had such important information passed down to them–it’s only a personal impression though.

    Anyway, thanks, Lynn for this useful article, your careful research, and clear style of writing! Jude

    • Lynn Hayes August 3, 2011 at 8:59 pm

      Hi Jude, I read somewhere that Ben Franklin advised the group on waiting until the Moon was out of Capricorn. One reason I like the Sibley chart is because Sibley, as a Freemason, was probably privy to some of the secret information. And perhaps they retrofitted the US with the Sibley chart after the fact. I am not someone who likes to use a chart because it “works,” but in absence of other evidence sufficient to convince me, I remain happy with the Sibley chart.

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